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		<title>Comment on Certainty by Cate Reddell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cate Reddell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 04:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Ginger.  You take care of yourself.  We&#039;ll be here when you&#039;re ready. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ginger.  You take care of yourself.  We&#8217;ll be here when you&#8217;re ready. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Certainty by Cate Reddell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cate Reddell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 02:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re quite right that all of life is uncertain.  That&#039;s why I am doing all I can to do the one day at a time routine.  Sometimes easier than others. ;-\
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re quite right that all of life is uncertain.  That&#8217;s why I am doing all I can to do the one day at a time routine.  Sometimes easier than others. ;-\</p>
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		<title>Comment on Certainty by Janet (ocdtalk)</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 00:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting post, and I&#039;m sorry you have so much obvious uncertainty right now. I say &quot;obvious&quot; because really, everything in life is uncertain, we just don&#039;t usually think of it that way. None of us really knows what will happen in the next moment.So we need to live in the moment we have now (I know, easier said than done :) )]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post, and I&#8217;m sorry you have so much obvious uncertainty right now. I say &#8220;obvious&#8221; because really, everything in life is uncertain, we just don&#8217;t usually think of it that way. None of us really knows what will happen in the next moment.So we need to live in the moment we have now (I know, easier said than done <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
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		<title>Comment on Certainty by Ginger Ray</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 00:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hang in there.  So sorry for your worries.  I haven&#039;t been on WordPress in a while to keep up with you.  Hopefully I will keep it more of a priority.  It does help to write and get all the stuff out.  It&#039;s also nice to make friends around the world.  Blessings!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hang in there.  So sorry for your worries.  I haven&#8217;t been on WordPress in a while to keep up with you.  Hopefully I will keep it more of a priority.  It does help to write and get all the stuff out.  It&#8217;s also nice to make friends around the world.  Blessings!</p>
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		<title>Comment on In My Corner Of The World&#8230; There Is Hope by Certainty &#124; Infinite Sadness... or hope?</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Certainty &#124; Infinite Sadness... or hope?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2013 22:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on When Your World Turns Upside Down (reposted) by Certainty &#124; Infinite Sadness... or hope?</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Certainty &#124; Infinite Sadness... or hope?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2013 22:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Anyone Up For A Game Of Truth And Dare? by Cate Reddell</title>
		<link>http://infinitesadnessorhope.wordpress.com/2013/06/18/anyone-up-for-a-game-of-truth-and-dare/#comment-4361</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cate Reddell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know what sprung to mind as I was reading this?  That psychiatrist said he&#039;d give ECT to his wife or children.  I still wonder though, whether he&#039;d go for ECT himself.  Was he that confident of it that he would subject himself to it?  Hmm.  

I don&#039;t mean to mock ECT because I know that sometimes it saves lives.  I just think there needs to be more openness about the long term effects.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what sprung to mind as I was reading this?  That psychiatrist said he&#8217;d give ECT to his wife or children.  I still wonder though, whether he&#8217;d go for ECT himself.  Was he that confident of it that he would subject himself to it?  Hmm.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to mock ECT because I know that sometimes it saves lives.  I just think there needs to be more openness about the long term effects.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anyone Up For A Game Of Truth And Dare? by survivor55</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2013 18:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Back when I was still able to work, but after the breakdown that let me know I was (and had been) incredibly sick, I was able, through my insurance program I had through my job, to see a psychiatrist who was in partnership with one other psychiatrist.  I saw this man quite often and my supervisors&#039; supervisor hated my doctor because he kept me off work for months at a time.  This psychiatrist also irritated me because while he seemed caring and professional, he&#039;d tell me one thing and when I&#039;d go back to see him the next time he wouldn&#039;t have written in his notes in my file the same thing he told me. (And he looked at me like I was the crazy one!! HA!!) I, however, kept copious notes in a journal which I updated after every visit.

Anyway, this man wanted me to have ECT and I didn&#039;t want to because of people I&#039;d seen in one particular hospital where one of my loved ones was dying.  Between those zombie-looking people who scared my 20 year old self and &quot;One Flew Over The Cuckoo&#039;s Nest&quot; I was scared to death of shock treatments.  (Not to mention one of my favorite movies, but scary to someone back in that time with mental/emotional health issues, &quot;Suddenly Last Summer&quot; with Elizabeth Taylor, Katherine Hepburn and Montgomery Clift.)  I refused time and again until finally I was so desperate to get back to normal I was thinking about it.  Therefore at my next appointment I asked him how it worked -- what did it actually do to the brain that removed depression, since he had misdiagnosed me with severe clinical depression and promised the shock treatments would make me normal again.  He frowned, shook his head and stated, &quot;We don&#039;t know how it works or why it works.&quot;  Yet during a previous visit as he was urging me to do this, he said if any of his family -- wife, children -- were as depressed as I was and had such difficulty with medication (he never used the term you mentioned and with which I would later be classified:  treatment resistant) he wouldn&#039;t hesitate to give them shock treatments.

Like you, all that was mentioned as a side-effect was memory problems for a few days prior to and just after the treatment.  I also assumed from the word &quot;treatment&quot; and not &quot;treatments&quot; that it meant one time.  Later I learned &quot;treatment&quot; meant a series of shocks, depending upon various reasons for each person.  Also like you, I later learned from others that they were missing huge chunks of time from their memories -- not just during the time surround the treatment(s).  In fact oner person couldn&#039;t remember a single thing that happened before the series of shocks she underwent.

Later, when I had to quit my job, sell my home and give up my normal life not knowing it would never come back, I had no insurance and had to go to a state-run (and paid for) facility.  They had a complete turnover one time of all employees and it was in the news who the new director would be, and who became my doctor.  It was the partner to my previous psychiatrist.  Both men were sanctioned publicly by the state and by the psychiatric association for using way too many ECTs as treatment instead of meds, counseling, etc.  It was their first go-to response.  The doctor I had seen left town and this doctor was &quot;downgraded&quot; to work for the state.  I was surprised they were able to keep their medical licenses.  It was such a big deal, there was a four-page spread about it in our newspaper.

I realize for some people they think, believe and/or swear by ECTs as the only thing that has ever helped them.  That&#039;s fine for them.  As for me, it still scares the daylights out of me and I will not go there unless I am completely out of my mind and someone else makes that decision for me.  The doctor at the state-run facility used me as a guinea pig for all new meds that came out, jerking me off one chemical and immediately putting me on another.  It wasn&#039;t until I had a good doctor that I discovered you are to be weaned off one med before starting another.  I will tell you that during the time I was seen by this man and used as his chemical guinea pig, I have chunks of memory loss anyway. 

Great post, Cate!!  I wish others would follow suit.  Carrie Fisher, actress, author, daughter of Debbie Reynolds, is quite open about her ECTs.  Maybe one day when I am able to read again, I&#039;ll buy her book.  I&#039;ll bet it&#039;s fascinating.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back when I was still able to work, but after the breakdown that let me know I was (and had been) incredibly sick, I was able, through my insurance program I had through my job, to see a psychiatrist who was in partnership with one other psychiatrist.  I saw this man quite often and my supervisors&#8217; supervisor hated my doctor because he kept me off work for months at a time.  This psychiatrist also irritated me because while he seemed caring and professional, he&#8217;d tell me one thing and when I&#8217;d go back to see him the next time he wouldn&#8217;t have written in his notes in my file the same thing he told me. (And he looked at me like I was the crazy one!! HA!!) I, however, kept copious notes in a journal which I updated after every visit.</p>
<p>Anyway, this man wanted me to have ECT and I didn&#8217;t want to because of people I&#8217;d seen in one particular hospital where one of my loved ones was dying.  Between those zombie-looking people who scared my 20 year old self and &#8220;One Flew Over The Cuckoo&#8217;s Nest&#8221; I was scared to death of shock treatments.  (Not to mention one of my favorite movies, but scary to someone back in that time with mental/emotional health issues, &#8220;Suddenly Last Summer&#8221; with Elizabeth Taylor, Katherine Hepburn and Montgomery Clift.)  I refused time and again until finally I was so desperate to get back to normal I was thinking about it.  Therefore at my next appointment I asked him how it worked &#8212; what did it actually do to the brain that removed depression, since he had misdiagnosed me with severe clinical depression and promised the shock treatments would make me normal again.  He frowned, shook his head and stated, &#8220;We don&#8217;t know how it works or why it works.&#8221;  Yet during a previous visit as he was urging me to do this, he said if any of his family &#8212; wife, children &#8212; were as depressed as I was and had such difficulty with medication (he never used the term you mentioned and with which I would later be classified:  treatment resistant) he wouldn&#8217;t hesitate to give them shock treatments.</p>
<p>Like you, all that was mentioned as a side-effect was memory problems for a few days prior to and just after the treatment.  I also assumed from the word &#8220;treatment&#8221; and not &#8220;treatments&#8221; that it meant one time.  Later I learned &#8220;treatment&#8221; meant a series of shocks, depending upon various reasons for each person.  Also like you, I later learned from others that they were missing huge chunks of time from their memories &#8212; not just during the time surround the treatment(s).  In fact oner person couldn&#8217;t remember a single thing that happened before the series of shocks she underwent.</p>
<p>Later, when I had to quit my job, sell my home and give up my normal life not knowing it would never come back, I had no insurance and had to go to a state-run (and paid for) facility.  They had a complete turnover one time of all employees and it was in the news who the new director would be, and who became my doctor.  It was the partner to my previous psychiatrist.  Both men were sanctioned publicly by the state and by the psychiatric association for using way too many ECTs as treatment instead of meds, counseling, etc.  It was their first go-to response.  The doctor I had seen left town and this doctor was &#8220;downgraded&#8221; to work for the state.  I was surprised they were able to keep their medical licenses.  It was such a big deal, there was a four-page spread about it in our newspaper.</p>
<p>I realize for some people they think, believe and/or swear by ECTs as the only thing that has ever helped them.  That&#8217;s fine for them.  As for me, it still scares the daylights out of me and I will not go there unless I am completely out of my mind and someone else makes that decision for me.  The doctor at the state-run facility used me as a guinea pig for all new meds that came out, jerking me off one chemical and immediately putting me on another.  It wasn&#8217;t until I had a good doctor that I discovered you are to be weaned off one med before starting another.  I will tell you that during the time I was seen by this man and used as his chemical guinea pig, I have chunks of memory loss anyway. </p>
<p>Great post, Cate!!  I wish others would follow suit.  Carrie Fisher, actress, author, daughter of Debbie Reynolds, is quite open about her ECTs.  Maybe one day when I am able to read again, I&#8217;ll buy her book.  I&#8217;ll bet it&#8217;s fascinating.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ECT &#8211; How It Was For Me by Anyone Up For A Game Of Truth And Dare? &#124; Infinite Sadness... or hope?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] can read about my experience of ECT either in ECT – How It Was For Me or in my book, Infinite Sadness, 2009 which you will find on [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] can read about my experience of ECT either in ECT – How It Was For Me or in my book, Infinite Sadness, 2009 which you will find on [&#8230;]</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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